Comments on: You Don’t Own ANY Conversation

By: n8k99

n8k99 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:45:39 +0000

the “conversation” isn't even valuable until it has move on just like money is worthless until you actually exchange it for something, and the people who Make the money do not get to use it all- and by make I Mean produce the artifact which is exchanged.

By: n8k99

n8k99 — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:45:39 +0000

By: n8k99

n8k99 — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:45:39 +0000

By: bluelectric.org » Das Wa-handern!

bluelectric.org » Das Wa-handern! — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:31:21 +0000

[...] Schlussfolgerung: Sie (die Gespräche, d. Red.) gehören allen und niemandem. [...]

By: Corvida

Corvida — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:52:02 +0000

That would probably drive me nuts too. At least other conversations are
public and more accessible.

By: Louis Gray

Louis Gray — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:38:49 +0000

My position has been made in quite a few places already, so folks know where I stand. But you know what types of parallel conversations do drive me a bit nuts? It's when they're behind password-protected forums, where I see the traffic, know they're talking about my post, but I can't even search the forum without a login and password, which sometimes isn't available. That's a minor, one person complaint-fest that wouldn't likely draw the attention this one did.

By: Corvida

Corvida — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:49:03 +0000

They didn't ask to own the conversation, but it's how it can come across to
a reader. That was my *interpretation* of the articles that I've read
concerning the situation.

You do have a point, but you're playing devil's advocate lol and it's just
another side to the conversation. Our points are both valid and invalid,
depends on who's reading it. But thank you for the food for thought! I do
appreciate it and it definitely is something to consider. Maybe I'll make a
second post later this week.

By: Corvida

Corvida — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:46:02 +0000

You're not asking for it by putting it out there, but it's one of the
possible consequences. That's all I'm saying. It's a possible consequence
that bloggers will have to deal with.

I do care and I would like them to be accessible to me, but as I stated to
Sarah Perez I'm realizing that if I can't have my cake and eat it too, I'm
willing to accept that and I appreciate those places that at least provide a
link back to the original content.

By: tonyhung

tonyhung — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:23:33 +0000

1. if you're going to get all hot and bothered about it let's hear some names. I was following the meme all weekend, and actually, I don't think I heard any bloggers asking out loud to "own" the conversation. What I did see was Scoble kicking off the debate by making it a "no one should own comments" vs. "don't steal my content" -- two actually very different things. Everyone came down on the "no one owns comments and conversations", including myself.

2. If you want attribution for your work -- well, that's a level of control. What Shyfter did was fairly benign in the larger scheme of things. But if you don't want your content being used by sploggers and if you don't want people remixing and repurposing yoru content and then *renaming* the author, then yes -- you're actually for some level of control by an author over where and how their content gets treated.

Do you think the answer then is by making all of your content private? If everything is for the taking, do you think that your attribution is one of those things? How about your good name -- if people decide to collect your work with someone else's you despise?

Some food for thought on an otherwise quiet Sunday night. :P

Cheers
tony @ dji.

By: CyndyA

CyndyA — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:26:16 +0000

On the content issue, yes, you do own it, and copyright law is there to back that up. The attitude that it's there, so people will take it and that's all there is to it is EXACTLY why we have the RIAA so far up our butts they are peering out from behind our eyeballs. I'm not going to buy into that for one second, whether you are writing for fun or profit, and saying “well, you asked for it by putting it out there where anyone could see it” sounds like what?

As for the conversation end of it, you are right. It's going to be everywhere. But as more and more apps move more and more of the conversation away from the blogs, what point is there in writing the blog? You yourself said you wanted your comments “back” from aggregators only a few posts ago, as well as saying you were here for conversations, not traffic. So which is it? You want the conversation accessible to you or you don't care? You want your comments or you want them fragmented on 45 different sites?